Comments on: Rogers ISP and their lack of neutral net http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/ Programming, Education, Computer Science Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: TechTools http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100630 TechTools Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:47:21 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100630 It feels really weird knowing that my ISP has so much power and could control what pages I actually view. Hopefully we could find some change in this and actually find more freedom for the internet. It's tough to say if this will ever happen but this example of Rogers and Yahoo on Google is pretty scary when you think about it. It feels really weird knowing that my ISP has so much power and could control what pages I actually view. Hopefully we could find some change in this and actually find more freedom for the internet.
It’s tough to say if this will ever happen but this example of Rogers and Yahoo on Google is pretty scary when you think about it.

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By: The Net’s Runaway Infrastructure | Think Artificial http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100621 The Net’s Runaway Infrastructure | Think Artificial Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:19:16 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100621 [...] a recent example of some dubious, related developments, Tony at CompSci Canada discusses the exploits of Rogers, one of the main Internet Service Providers in Canada, injecting information into the pages a user [...] [...] a recent example of some dubious, related developments, Tony at CompSci Canada discusses the exploits of Rogers, one of the main Internet Service Providers in Canada, injecting information into the pages a user [...]

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By: Mark Sanborn http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100583 Mark Sanborn Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:55:20 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100583 The thought of the internet being controlled by an ISP really irks me. This is not what the internet was founded on and in my opinion drastically slow down its growth and potential. I also believe that if it becomes heavily controlled there will be a rising need for net citizens to develop their own private internet, similar to the already in place college network AKA, internet2. The thought of the internet being controlled by an ISP really irks me. This is not what the internet was founded on and in my opinion drastically slow down its growth and potential.

I also believe that if it becomes heavily controlled there will be a rising need for net citizens to develop their own private internet, similar to the already in place college network AKA, internet2.

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By: Ben Hovinga http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100573 Ben Hovinga Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:32:18 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100573 This could also be bad with some of the programs that you have on your computer. A program could access a page that will display this account information and send that to a third party company about your account. It could also mess up your programs performance. If you have a program access a specific site that it knows and needs a specific string from a certain line it will not get that string. This could also be bad with some of the programs that you have on your computer. A program could access a page that will display this account information and send that to a third party company about your account. It could also mess up your programs performance. If you have a program access a specific site that it knows and needs a specific string from a certain line it will not get that string.

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100540 Tony Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:06:26 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100540 Martin: you're right, the ISP could definitely record all the content that goes through their routers. Injecting ID-laced links just makes it easier. Injecting JavaScript could also let them know what you're doing on the page itself -- think CrazyEgg. Martin: you’re right, the ISP could definitely record all the content that goes through their routers. Injecting ID-laced links just makes it easier. Injecting JavaScript could also let them know what you’re doing on the page itself — think CrazyEgg.

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By: Paul Butler http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100539 Paul Butler Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:59:21 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100539 I don't like the idea of an ISP changing what's in a packet, it's just an icky feeling. But on a practical level, this seems like a good idea. I mean, privacy concerns aside (and really, if you don't trust your ISP to keep your information private, you should probably switch ISPs, because they have access to way more data than this), it might be more convenient to some users than an email or phone call. If the user can turn it off (as it appears), I think the net benefit to the average user is positive. It's nice to see Rogers being proactive about notifying their customers about their quota use though. I've been burned by phone data rates by Rogers wireless, and I sure wish they would have notified me in advance. (Tangent: Instead, they removed the feature from the phone that would have told me how much I had used.) That said, I avoid Rogers for internet because of the traffic shaping stuff. I don’t like the idea of an ISP changing what’s in a packet, it’s just an icky feeling. But on a practical level, this seems like a good idea. I mean, privacy concerns aside (and really, if you don’t trust your ISP to keep your information private, you should probably switch ISPs, because they have access to way more data than this), it might be more convenient to some users than an email or phone call. If the user can turn it off (as it appears), I think the net benefit to the average user is positive. It’s nice to see Rogers being proactive about notifying their customers about their quota use though. I’ve been burned by phone data rates by Rogers wireless, and I sure wish they would have notified me in advance. (Tangent: Instead, they removed the feature from the phone that would have told me how much I had used.)

That said, I avoid Rogers for internet because of the traffic shaping stuff.

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By: Paul Butler http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100538 Paul Butler Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:39:52 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100538 Martin: Yes, but I think Tony's point was not that they could record it, but that they are. They record somewhere that you acknowledged the message, which presumably implies that you visited Google at some time. Not the end of the world, but as Tony said, it's a slippery slope. Martin: Yes, but I think Tony’s point was not that they could record it, but that they are. They record somewhere that you acknowledged the message, which presumably implies that you visited Google at some time. Not the end of the world, but as Tony said, it’s a slippery slope.

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By: Martin http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/comment-page-1/#comment-100537 Martin Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:25:01 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/rogers-isp-and-their-lack-of-neutral-net/#comment-100537 Of course they can track you, they're your ISP. Everything you do goes through their routers. They don't need to inject anything in the page to do that. Of course they can track you, they’re your ISP. Everything you do goes through their routers. They don’t need to inject anything in the page to do that.

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