Comments on: Gaming the educational system, again. http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/ Programming, Education, Computer Science Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: syntax_error http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-106884 syntax_error Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:22:12 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-106884 @ Clayton: "(This is also closely related to teaching philosophy, which is also extremely important, but fit for another time)" surprisingly some schools or rather programs in schools are now teaching such forms of philosophy, like I know at my school's IB program you have to take TOK [ theory of knowledge ] ; then again, its said you can take a horse to the watering hole but cannot force it to drink. @ Clayton: “(This is also closely related to teaching philosophy, which is also extremely important, but fit for another time)”

surprisingly some schools or rather programs in schools are now teaching such forms of philosophy, like I know at my school’s IB program you have to take TOK [ theory of knowledge ] ; then again, its said you can take a horse to the watering hole but cannot force it to drink.

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By: Clayton http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105783 Clayton Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:00:59 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105783 @Tony: "I think another point here (which also happens to be a recurring theme on this blog) would be the practical application of the knowledge, vs. the raw memorization of the textbook." I think the biggest problem right now, is that many people believe that such a philosophy belongs only to the practical (or more "hands-on") type of activity. This is not the case. The same principles that one learns in say, a leadership course, also applies to just about every other area (that I have encountered) in life. The basis of leadership, is that you cannot tell someone to do something, unless you have done it yourself. This gives you the knowledge of how something is done, what can be expected of someone, and what is required to be done in the first place. This basically translates into: <i>practice</i>. Think of me as your teacher. I could give you a sheet with the fifty-some trig identities you are required to learn in Grade 12 University math, have you memorize them, and then give you a quiz on it the next day. This does you no good. Rather, it's much better to show you how to get these identities, give you the resources to practice, and test you on your ability later. (This is also closely related to teaching philosophy, which is also extremely important, but fit for another time) In the end, instead of cramming at the last minute, as a student, you are much better off taking 15 - 30 minutes each night reviewing from that day the notes/examples etc. After reviewing them, cover up the final answer, and do the question again, once. Check your answer, be it right or wrong, do not correct it. The next night, go over that question again (along with your new notes), and I think you'd find you'll have gotten it correct this time. NOTE: This is a very personal thing, these methods are just something I find help a very large majority of students that I have talked to. Nothing is a perfect, "one size fits all" method. Find what works for you. @Tony: “I think another point here (which also happens to be a recurring theme on this blog) would be the practical application of the knowledge, vs. the raw memorization of the textbook.”

I think the biggest problem right now, is that many people believe that such a philosophy belongs only to the practical (or more “hands-on”) type of activity. This is not the case. The same principles that one learns in say, a leadership course, also applies to just about every other area (that I have encountered) in life. The basis of leadership, is that you cannot tell someone to do something, unless you have done it yourself. This gives you the knowledge of how something is done, what can be expected of someone, and what is required to be done in the first place.

This basically translates into: practice.
Think of me as your teacher. I could give you a sheet with the fifty-some trig identities you are required to learn in Grade 12 University math, have you memorize them, and then give you a quiz on it the next day. This does you no good. Rather, it’s much better to show you how to get these identities, give you the resources to practice, and test you on your ability later. (This is also closely related to teaching philosophy, which is also extremely important, but fit for another time)

In the end, instead of cramming at the last minute, as a student, you are much better off taking 15 – 30 minutes each night reviewing from that day the notes/examples etc. After reviewing them, cover up the final answer, and do the question again, once. Check your answer, be it right or wrong, do not correct it. The next night, go over that question again (along with your new notes), and I think you’d find you’ll have gotten it correct this time.

NOTE: This is a very personal thing, these methods are just something I find help a very large majority of students that I have talked to. Nothing is a perfect, “one size fits all” method. Find what works for you.

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By: michaelp http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105379 michaelp Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:52:52 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105379 WE had a science test today on a unit called mechanical advantage and efficiency, and there was some massive "gaming" going on. We have 3 40 minute periods, from 9:11, then a 30 minute recess, then we had our test. Well, during the recess, quite a few people stayed inside to study for the test, right before we were going to take it. And the teacher was inside, knowing that the students were studying. If that's not gaming, then I don't know what is. WE had a science test today on a unit called mechanical advantage and efficiency, and there was some massive “gaming” going on. We have 3 40 minute periods, from 9:11, then a 30 minute recess, then we had our test. Well, during the recess, quite a few people stayed inside to study for the test, right before we were going to take it. And the teacher was inside, knowing that the students were studying. If that’s not gaming, then I don’t know what is.

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105350 Tony Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:37:18 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105350 Because it didn't matter what grade you were actually given. The the decision to... <em>supplement</em> one's test writing abilities relies on the benefit outweighing the cost * chance. That is, extra marks that would not be "earned" otherwise vs. chance of getting 0% on the test (assuming high school, where cheating policy is surprisingly lax. Universities assign negative grades, among other penalties, up to expulsion.) Since taped notes offer very low data density and are not particularly difficult to spot, it's only reasonable to conclude that the "cost" was also low. Because it didn’t matter what grade you were actually given.

The the decision to… supplement one’s test writing abilities relies on the benefit outweighing the cost * chance. That is, extra marks that would not be “earned” otherwise vs. chance of getting 0% on the test (assuming high school, where cheating policy is surprisingly lax. Universities assign negative grades, among other penalties, up to expulsion.)

Since taped notes offer very low data density and are not particularly difficult to spot, it’s only reasonable to conclude that the “cost” was also low.

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By: Olga http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105346 Olga Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:04:11 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105346 lol That's much more high tech than taping notes to the insides of our sleeves like Sammy & I used to do. Why didn't we think of that? lol
That’s much more high tech than taping notes to the insides of our sleeves like Sammy & I used to do. Why didn’t we think of that?

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105324 Tony Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:56:22 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105324 I think another point here (which also happens to be a recurring theme on this blog) would be the practical application of the knowledge, vs. the raw memorization of the textbook. Again, <em>knowing</em> the material is being able to apply it. Which I suppose the student has done, since "it was a cryptography class". I think another point here (which also happens to be a recurring theme on this blog) would be the practical application of the knowledge, vs. the raw memorization of the textbook.

Again, knowing the material is being able to apply it. Which I suppose the student has done, since “it was a cryptography class”.

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By: Aziz http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/comment-page-1/#comment-105308 Aziz Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:18 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/gaming-the-educational-system-again/#comment-105308 "Much harder than simply studying, of course" That about says it all. Clever scheme, but not brilliant. Brilliant would be knowing the stuff. “Much harder than simply studying, of course”

That about says it all. Clever scheme, but not brilliant. Brilliant would be knowing the stuff.

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