Comments on: Computer Virus: mostly harmless by definition http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/ Programming, Education, Computer Science Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Adie http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-110398 Adie Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:33:39 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-110398 I have a huge question for anyone who would know which is the best of the best antivirus and what nots for a new laptop that i'm going to buy. what would be the best one to get? please comment back!!! ^_____^ i know that there's macacfy and notron but they don't stop all the viruses and trojans and what nots thanks I have a huge question for anyone who would know which is the best of the best antivirus and what nots for a new laptop that i’m going to buy. what would be the best one to get? please comment back!!! ^_____^
i know that there’s macacfy and notron but they don’t stop all the viruses and trojans and what nots thanks

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By: Ken http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104876 Ken Wed, 28 May 2008 14:36:04 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104876 I am a Windows user who gave up on anti-everything software. Running Vista SP1 with UAC turned on. Do not run an admin account and neither do my family. I do run a scan periodically, but do not have any anti-badware running continuously. I work for a company that has a number of computers exposed to the Internet for various reasons. One of them is a monitoring PC I set up to have access to a remote system. WinXP Pro SP2, Windows firewall with a number of open ports, no anti-virus, public IP address. I watch this machine fairly closely and have had no problems at all. I am a Windows user who gave up on anti-everything software. Running Vista SP1 with UAC turned on. Do not run an admin account and neither do my family.

I do run a scan periodically, but do not have any anti-badware running continuously.

I work for a company that has a number of computers exposed to the Internet for various reasons. One of them is a monitoring PC I set up to have access to a remote system. WinXP Pro SP2, Windows firewall with a number of open ports, no anti-virus, public IP address. I watch this machine fairly closely and have had no problems at all.

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By: Harry http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104861 Harry Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:24 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104861 I have a few things to say to all of this. First, don't take computer advice from someone with horrid spelling and grammar. If they can't even type out 'your' 'you're' or any other word for that matter, he or she probably is only repeating secondhand information that he or she heard from other similarly ignorant people. Second, ANY OS IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO MALWARE. Yes, that's right. Windows XP is just as vulnerable to Linux. If you know how to secure your own box, then Windows is just as secure as pretty much anything. If you don't know how, then you probably are not going to know how to run Unix. On that note, the Macintosh OS is actually good software, but as I said, if you don't know how to secure it, then it doesn't matter what you're running. Third, there's more then just one good antiviral software. McAfee and Norton are not good at all. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or ignorant. If you still use either of them after reading this, then you can't claim ignorance. They both are resource hogs, cost money to renew, and quite frankly, don't do a very good job at what they're supposed to do. I would highly recommend ditching either or them. Back to good software. Most of the suggestions on here have been good. NOD32 and Kaspersky are very good, if you want commercial software. If you don't like paying for software and have the decency to not pirate either of these, then AVG is what I'd personally recommend. Other then that, Antivir is good, along with others. A simple google search will find more software, although you need to watch out for Rouge Antivirus software - those that pretend to be legit, only to fill your computer with more malware, and attempt to trick you into purchasing with false positives. I've never tried Zonealarm, so I cannot vouch for that. Fourth, you need more then just antivirus software. Most antivirus only protects against trojans, worms, and viruses. Spyware, adware, rootkits, malicious data hidden in Alternate Data Streams, etc... generally arn't covered. Most people can argue about various antivirus software, but Spybot Search & Destroy is pretty much the standard for antispyware software. It works fantastically. Of course, there are still other very good solutions available. I personally use Malwarebytes Antimalware, along with Comodo BOClean, but Spysweeper (not freeware) is also quite good. A firewall is also a great addition. By great addition, I mean if you don't have one, you're quite vulnerable. Again, may companies make good firewalls. Comodo, Outpost, AVG, there are plenty. Again, using google common sense will find you a good one. (I personally recommend Comodo). ...Do not use Windows firewall. The only thing I've ever seen it block is Windows Update. Fifth: "i use it, aint had 1 virus in 10 years, and i use limewire" Don't be that guy. Sixth: "Linux eliminates 100% of Windows viruses, worms, and adware." Or him. Seventh (to tony): Good, informative article. Thank you for posting. I have a few things to say to all of this.

First, don’t take computer advice from someone with horrid spelling and grammar. If they can’t even type out ‘your’ ‘you’re’ or any other word for that matter, he or she probably is only repeating secondhand information that he or she heard from other similarly ignorant people.

Second, ANY OS IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO MALWARE. Yes, that’s right. Windows XP is just as vulnerable to Linux. If you know how to secure your own box, then Windows is just as secure as pretty much anything. If you don’t know how, then you probably are not going to know how to run Unix. On that note, the Macintosh OS is actually good software, but as I said, if you don’t know how to secure it, then it doesn’t matter what you’re running.

Third, there’s more then just one good antiviral software. McAfee and Norton are not good at all. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or ignorant. If you still use either of them after reading this, then you can’t claim ignorance. They both are resource hogs, cost money to renew, and quite frankly, don’t do a very good job at what they’re supposed to do. I would highly recommend ditching either or them.
Back to good software. Most of the suggestions on here have been good. NOD32 and Kaspersky are very good, if you want commercial software. If you don’t like paying for software and have the decency to not pirate either of these, then AVG is what I’d personally recommend. Other then that, Antivir is good, along with others. A simple google search will find more software, although you need to watch out for Rouge Antivirus software – those that pretend to be legit, only to fill your computer with more malware, and attempt to trick you into purchasing with false positives. I’ve never tried Zonealarm, so I cannot vouch for that.

Fourth, you need more then just antivirus software. Most antivirus only protects against trojans, worms, and viruses. Spyware, adware, rootkits, malicious data hidden in Alternate Data Streams, etc… generally arn’t covered. Most people can argue about various antivirus software, but Spybot Search & Destroy is pretty much the standard for antispyware software. It works fantastically. Of course, there are still other very good solutions available. I personally use Malwarebytes Antimalware, along with Comodo BOClean, but Spysweeper (not freeware) is also quite good.
A firewall is also a great addition. By great addition, I mean if you don’t have one, you’re quite vulnerable. Again, may companies make good firewalls. Comodo, Outpost, AVG, there are plenty. Again, using google common sense will find you a good one. (I personally recommend Comodo).
…Do not use Windows firewall. The only thing I’ve ever seen it block is Windows
Update.

Fifth: “i use it, aint had 1 virus in 10 years, and i use limewire”
Don’t be that guy.

Sixth: “Linux eliminates 100% of Windows viruses, worms, and adware.”
Or him.

Seventh (to tony): Good, informative article. Thank you for posting.

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By: Haspel http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104857 Haspel Tue, 27 May 2008 09:40:38 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104857 I have been using AVG free edition for some time now and Im very happy with the results,in the past my anti-virus favorite was Avast! but it wasnt able to detect a few trojans that I had so I switched :). I was also thinking of locking my windows folder some people say it helps what do you guys think? I have been using AVG free edition for some time now and Im very happy with the results,in the past my anti-virus favorite was Avast! but it wasnt able to detect a few trojans that I had so I switched :) .
I was also thinking of locking my windows folder some people say it helps what do you guys think?

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By: Text http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104850 Text Tue, 27 May 2008 00:24:08 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104850 Almost forgot to mention... because of Sandbox I can intentionally or unintentionally install just about any virus, trojan, malware, or anything and never have to worry about it infecting my computer. Sandboxie makes it like it never happened. In fact just the other day I was installing a stolen copy of a video game and unintentionally caught a trojan that wasn't picked up by this so-called virus scanner. However, I just emptied my sandbox and it was gone. Kinda sweet not having to worry about what to download and what not to download. What to install, what not to install...what email to open, what email not to open, how to ensure you remove every detail of an installed program, etc etc etc... Lol, not to mention it enables me to be able to rerun trial software over and over and over again without paying. I just love Sandbox...so far it's the best computer defense (aside from unplugging) I've ever tried. Almost forgot to mention…

because of Sandbox I can intentionally or unintentionally install just about any virus, trojan, malware, or anything and never have to worry about it infecting my computer. Sandboxie makes it like it never happened.

In fact just the other day I was installing a stolen copy of a video game and unintentionally caught a trojan that wasn’t picked up by this so-called virus scanner. However, I just emptied my sandbox and it was gone. Kinda sweet not having to worry about what to download and what not to download. What to install, what not to install…what email to open, what email not to open, how to ensure you remove every detail of an installed program, etc etc etc…

Lol, not to mention it enables me to be able to rerun trial software over and over and over again without paying. I just love Sandbox…so far it’s the best computer defense (aside from unplugging) I’ve ever tried.

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By: Text http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104848 Text Mon, 26 May 2008 23:18:57 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104848 Personally, I have become aware that the biggest security hole in my computer is coming from the Ethernet cord. The internet is where 99% of all damage comes from for most people...unless of course you let random people use your computer on a daily basis in which case this doesn't apply to you. Nonetheless, if you're really interested in fighting off malware, viruses, trojans, etc etc, try using Sandboxie. :D Basically, Sandboxie creates a virtual "sandbox" for you to play in while you're using your computer. Almost ANY program can run in the sandbox and once you're done you empty your sandbox and tada~ it's like it never happened! I run Firefox in a sandbox and I don't even use an anti-virus program. I am sort of tech-savvy and for the last year, I haven't had one single problem with my computer. Haven't caught one single piece of malicious code in any shape or form thanks to Sandboxie. I install almost every new piece of software into a new sandbox from now on and I no longer need to worry about this crap. It's about time a better idea came out. Point is...TRUST NO PROGRAM. Even ones created by reputable sources because I can't tell you how many times incompatibility issues have given me headaches. Check out Sandboxie when you get the chance. It's pretty fking sweet. I'd be lost without it. http://www.sandboxie.com njoy -Text Personally, I have become aware that the biggest security hole in my computer is coming from the Ethernet cord. The internet is where 99% of all damage comes from for most people…unless of course you let random people use your computer on a daily basis in which case this doesn’t apply to you. Nonetheless, if you’re really interested in fighting off malware, viruses, trojans, etc etc, try using Sandboxie. :D

Basically, Sandboxie creates a virtual “sandbox” for you to play in while you’re using your computer. Almost ANY program can run in the sandbox and once you’re done you empty your sandbox and tada~ it’s like it never happened! I run Firefox in a sandbox and I don’t even use an anti-virus program. I am sort of tech-savvy and for the last year, I haven’t had one single problem with my computer. Haven’t caught one single piece of malicious code in any shape or form thanks to Sandboxie. I install almost every new piece of software into a new sandbox from now on and I no longer need to worry about this crap. It’s about time a better idea came out.

Point is…TRUST NO PROGRAM. Even ones created by reputable sources because I can’t tell you how many times incompatibility issues have given me headaches.

Check out Sandboxie when you get the chance. It’s pretty fking sweet. I’d be lost without it.
http://www.sandboxie.com

njoy
-Text

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By: Leafy http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104844 Leafy Mon, 26 May 2008 16:42:41 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104844 NOD32 epicly wins. Takes up barely any resources and almost always wins the VB100% award. @LINFAG Of course switching to a different operating system would eliminate the need to run virus scanners for a different platform's viruses. NOD32 epicly wins. Takes up barely any resources and almost always wins the VB100% award.

@LINFAG
Of course switching to a different operating system would eliminate the need to run virus scanners for a different platform’s viruses.

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104826 Tony Sun, 25 May 2008 20:39:28 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104826 @Sangram <blockquote><p>I personally recommend Unix/Linux OS</p><p>I dont recommend MAC OS</p></blockquote> Mac OS X <em>is</em> Unix. Way to show your ignorance and to contradict yourself. Your comment was quite spot on, with plenty of good advice (keeping an eye on the resource consumption is a good idea as it could be quite telling -- my CPU idles at 0~2%, so any active background processes will be easily spotted). Though you've ruined it for yourself with that last line. You have no basis to make such a statement. @Sangram

I personally recommend Unix/Linux OS

I dont recommend MAC OS

Mac OS X is Unix. Way to show your ignorance and to contradict yourself. Your comment was quite spot on, with plenty of good advice (keeping an eye on the resource consumption is a good idea as it could be quite telling — my CPU idles at 0~2%, so any active background processes will be easily spotted).

Though you’ve ruined it for yourself with that last line. You have no basis to make such a statement.

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By: LINFAG http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104815 LINFAG Sun, 25 May 2008 01:48:19 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104815 Linux eliminates 100% of Windows viruses, worms, and adware. Linux eliminates 100% of Windows viruses, worms, and adware.

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By: Sangram http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/comment-page-1/#comment-104805 Sangram Sat, 24 May 2008 06:49:06 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/computer-virus-mostly-harmless-by-definition/#comment-104805 To keep malware at bay here are some tricks : 1.Use good firewall 2.Stop using IE if ur are on Windows(I personally recommend Unix/Linux OS) , 3.Dont use any Anti viruses too long (dont depend on only one anti viruses). 4.Dont download any executable program from untrusted source. 5.Always get fill of ur Computer Speed. If u experience some sluggishness, its high probability that u had something to worry for. 6.keep eye on Process CPU usage and their memory consumption (U can use Task Manager in Windows and top/gtop/ps in unix based systems) I dont recommend MAC OS ( Worst OS ) To keep malware at bay here are some tricks :
1.Use good firewall
2.Stop using IE if ur are on Windows(I personally recommend Unix/Linux OS) ,
3.Dont use any Anti viruses too long (dont depend on only one anti viruses).
4.Dont download any executable program from untrusted source.
5.Always get fill of ur Computer Speed. If u experience some sluggishness, its high probability that u had something to worry for.
6.keep eye on Process CPU usage and their memory consumption
(U can use Task Manager in Windows and top/gtop/ps in unix based systems)

I dont recommend MAC OS ( Worst OS )

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