Comments on: Blind Programming – Literally http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/ Programming, Education, Computer Science Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: NgTY http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-110139 NgTY Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:43:23 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-110139 Truely inspiration ... My eyes are getting very strained easily these days, due to excessive 'wear-and-tear' by prolong staring at the screen when doing development work ... i love programming and don't wish to stop it, and i'm paranoid abt losing my sight one day if my current situation continues ... guess it is really worthwhile to pick up blind programming (without the need to acquire special hardware though) ... so that i can continue to program even with my eyes closed ... Truely inspiration … My eyes are getting very strained easily these days, due to excessive ‘wear-and-tear’ by prolong staring at the screen when doing development work … i love programming and don’t wish to stop it, and i’m paranoid abt losing my sight one day if my current situation continues … guess it is really worthwhile to pick up blind programming (without the need to acquire special hardware though) … so that i can continue to program even with my eyes closed …

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By: Rohit http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101830 Rohit Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:00:22 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101830 I'm fascinated...I have a friend in my university who is blind and is a far better coder than any other person in CS. I really don't know how they manage it, considering that I spend a lot of my program time in visually designing the problem. Hats off to such people!! :) I’m fascinated…I have a friend in my university who is blind and is a far better coder than any other person in CS. I really don’t know how they manage it, considering that I spend a lot of my program time in visually designing the problem. Hats off to such people!! :)

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By: Kylee http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101822 Kylee Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:22:49 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101822 Thank you, Robin!! I'm glad to see SOMEONE has a bit of perspective. Braille is not an inferior medium, it is merely a different one; and there have been blind programmers using it to efficiently do their jobs for some three decades or more. As for reading ability, I beat all my sighted classmates at news-reading while at broadcasting school here in New Zealand. I was using a note taker with an 18-cell display, which meant that while they could scan ahead several lines, I could only scan three or four words. I still managed to read more fluently - and with correct pronunciation - than they did. Reading ability has nothing to do with what medium you use. Just because we dont' have the use of our eyes, doesn't mean that we are deficient or defective! Thank you, Robin!! I’m glad to see SOMEONE has a bit of perspective. Braille is not an inferior medium, it is merely a different one; and there have been blind programmers using it to efficiently do their jobs for some three decades or more. As for reading ability, I beat all my sighted classmates at news-reading while at broadcasting school here in New Zealand. I was using a note taker with an 18-cell display, which meant that while they could scan ahead several lines, I could only scan three or four words. I still managed to read more fluently – and with correct pronunciation – than they did. Reading ability has nothing to do with what medium you use. Just because we dont’ have the use of our eyes, doesn’t mean that we are deficient or defective!

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By: Robyn http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101809 Robyn Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:01:16 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101809 Just because someone can't see does not mean they can't think. Not such a big deal really. Blind people do all sorts of stuff. Some of these responses are a bit patronising Just because someone can’t see does not mean they can’t think. Not such a big deal really. Blind people do all sorts of stuff. Some of these responses are a bit patronising

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101755 Tony Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:38:30 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101755 @epochs -- that's a fairly good analogy (step-through debugging). Though also, if I'm familiar enough with my code, I usually have a pretty good idea of where to look for a specific bug, so I could skip ahead to that block of code. I don't know the limitations or even average braille reading speeds, though I would imagine that someone experienced enough could at least match average reading speeds. Assuming continues reading, not skimming through a page. At that point typos should be more tolerable. @epochs — that’s a fairly good analogy (step-through debugging). Though also, if I’m familiar enough with my code, I usually have a pretty good idea of where to look for a specific bug, so I could skip ahead to that block of code.

I don’t know the limitations or even average braille reading speeds, though I would imagine that someone experienced enough could at least match average reading speeds. Assuming continues reading, not skimming through a page. At that point typos should be more tolerable.

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By: epochs http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101754 epochs Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:11:08 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101754 @Tony@Bashar: I don't want to speak for Bashar, but I understand how being outclassed by someone with a pretty heavy handicap against them can be a blow to the ego. Being forced to realize that the logic error you coded that took two days to find and nearly halted the development process is bad enough as it is. "Being beaten by someone who can't see" may sound even worse. But when you think about what it is to look through each line individually, it seems like Peter's view of the code is the same as the 'step-through' method of debugging in Visual Studio, or placing a breakpoint on every line in a GCC IDE like Bloodshed. Also, I'd be interested in knowing if braille readers follow the same grouping patterns that sighted readers follow, for anyone that's ever read the mispseleld wrods are sltil rdeable if all the ltters are teher, as typos in case-sensitive languages like C/ tend to cause me a lot of frustration, and also if the speed of braille reading is comparable to reading plain text. @Tony@Bashar:

I don’t want to speak for Bashar, but I understand how being outclassed by someone with a pretty heavy handicap against them can be a blow to the ego. Being forced to realize that the logic error you coded that took two days to find and nearly halted the development process is bad enough as it is. “Being beaten by someone who can’t see” may sound even worse.

But when you think about what it is to look through each line individually, it seems like Peter’s view of the code is the same as the ’step-through’ method of debugging in Visual Studio, or placing a breakpoint on every line in a GCC IDE like Bloodshed.

Also, I’d be interested in knowing if braille readers follow the same grouping patterns that sighted readers follow, for anyone that’s ever read the mispseleld wrods are sltil rdeable if all the ltters are teher, as typos in case-sensitive languages like C/ tend to cause me a lot of frustration, and also if the speed of braille reading is comparable to reading plain text.

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By: Brandon http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101723 Brandon Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:53:17 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101723 Wow that's incredible. Blind programmers could be the true "Mentats". Wow that’s incredible. Blind programmers could be the true “Mentats”.

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By: sikanrong http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-101613 sikanrong Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:00:44 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-101613 DUDE!! I've totally always wondered what would happen if I went blind. Somehow it's comforting to know that writing code is still possible. Now I just wonder what i'd do without hands. Maybe that should be another article. DUDE!! I’ve totally always wondered what would happen if I went blind. Somehow it’s comforting to know that writing code is still possible. Now I just wonder what i’d do without hands. Maybe that should be another article.

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-31766 Tony Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:52:10 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-31766 @Bobrobyn - actually one could <em>"code it right"</em> and have the program not work. I came across that at University while compiling the same code with different compilers. GCC, Borland, and whatever Visual Studio is integrated with handles NULL pointers differently ;) Although I'm sure that you're referring to something else entirely. Thinking things through, conceptually, away from the computer screen and the syntax of exact implementation certainly helps. I'm beginning to develop a new appreciation for all the written programming exams. Although they never prepare you for that in lectures or assignments. And comes to think of it, often time your writing is still evaluation on the correctness of the syntax. What a shame, things could be done so much better. @Bobrobyn – actually one could “code it right” and have the program not work. I came across that at University while compiling the same code with different compilers. GCC, Borland, and whatever Visual Studio is integrated with handles NULL pointers differently ;) Although I’m sure that you’re referring to something else entirely.

Thinking things through, conceptually, away from the computer screen and the syntax of exact implementation certainly helps. I’m beginning to develop a new appreciation for all the written programming exams. Although they never prepare you for that in lectures or assignments. And comes to think of it, often time your writing is still evaluation on the correctness of the syntax. What a shame, things could be done so much better.

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By: Bobrobyn http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/comment-page-1/#comment-31534 Bobrobyn Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:41:44 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/blind-programming-literally/#comment-31534 Wow, that's....amazing. I find the staring problem happens to my brother, who was taking a grade 11 class. He'd just sit there, and ask me "why won't it work?" Really, somehow, the teachers in the highschool need to teach the students how to think logically...to look at a bunch of code, and be able to explain what it does. I think that was missing from my brother's class. (I helped him a bit with this.) Problem number two for my brother involved scaling problems down to smaller problems. He'd look at the question and say to himself: "How do I do that?" I helped him with this...he hated it, but I got him off the computer, took out a pen and paper, and basically got him to tell me what the program needed to do, step by step. Getting away from the computer seemed to help him. Another interesting observation on my part, is a few people I know taking a degree in CS at my uni, will stare at their code and say "I coded it right, it just doesn't work!" I HATE when people say that, lol. The blind being able to code....that's just amazing. Wow, that’s….amazing.

I find the staring problem happens to my brother, who was taking a grade 11 class. He’d just sit there, and ask me “why won’t it work?” Really, somehow, the teachers in the highschool need to teach the students how to think logically…to look at a bunch of code, and be able to explain what it does. I think that was missing from my brother’s class. (I helped him a bit with this.)

Problem number two for my brother involved scaling problems down to smaller problems. He’d look at the question and say to himself: “How do I do that?” I helped him with this…he hated it, but I got him off the computer, took out a pen and paper, and basically got him to tell me what the program needed to do, step by step. Getting away from the computer seemed to help him.

Another interesting observation on my part, is a few people I know taking a degree in CS at my uni, will stare at their code and say “I coded it right, it just doesn’t work!” I HATE when people say that, lol.

The blind being able to code….that’s just amazing.

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